Stage & Screen

Into the Woods with Dan Stearns

Episode Summary

In this episode, we talk with Assistant Professor of Acting Dan Stearns, who is directing our upcoming production of "Into the Woods," which runs November 4-6 in Fulton Chapel.

Episode Notes

In this episode, we talk with Assistant Professor of Acting Dan Stearns, who is directing our upcoming production of "Into the Woods," which runs November 4-6 in Fulton Chapel.

For more information about the show and to get tickets, click here: https://olemissboxoffice.com/

Episode Transcription

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From the Department of Theater and Film at the University of Mississippi, this is stage and screen.

Katherine Stewart

Hello, hello and welcome back to stage and screen.

Katherine Stewart

I'm your host, Katherine Stewart, and my guest today is Dan Stearns, who is our assistant professor of acting and the director of our upcoming production of into the Woods, which runs November 4th.

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Through 6th in Fulton Chapel.

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Creating a faithful but also novel version of a very popular and well known musical can be difficult, and Dan and I had a very interesting conversation about that, so I will let him take it away.

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Without further ado, here's Dan.

Katherine Stewart

Well, hello Dan.

Katherine Stewart

Thank you so much for taking time to talk with me about into the woods, our big fall musical.

Dan Stearns

Absolutely, absolutely.

Katherine Stewart

So, so for anybody maybe who hasn't seen the show and I'm sure there are few and far between, could you just tell us a little bit about what it is?

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What is into the woods about?

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What isn't it about?

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I think might be the better question, because it's it's for those who don't know, it is a musical and the the story of this musical interweaves a number of fairy tales, European fairy tales, principally from Grimms fairy tales, the musicals.

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Written by the book was written by James Lapine and the music and lyrics are by Stephen Sondheim. The the combination of Lapine and Sondheim did a number of works together. It's from the 1980s.

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And Lapine was inspired by the book that written by Bruno Bettelheim, who was a.

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A psychoanalyst who wrote a book called the Uses of Enchantment, which is a psychoanalytic reading of the Grimms, fairy tales and battle time, is somewhat a controversial figure more recently, but there's some interesting interesting things in that book in this discussion of.

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Fairy tales and their psychoanalytic meaning.

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And the fairy tales get woven together in an interesting way, such that we see a number of familiar stories and the characters from these stories all meeting together.

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On stage and by the end.

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So for example, Cinderella, little bit, Riding Hood, Rapunzel, Jack of Jack and the Beanstalk.

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By the end of the first act they seem to have all achieved their goals and are going to live happily ever after.

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But then there are complications that come around in the second act and they are forced.

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Who find, uh, a new way of living?

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I would, I would, I would guess I would say that is.

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Something more like a modern.

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Sensibility about how we have to find our way.

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Something like an existential sensibility about how we have to find our way through the world, but it's still the, the, the the production itself has, if not a happy ending then.

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A hopeful ending or a positive ending in the sense.

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That these characters can find their way.

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It's very it's a very popular show.

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I don't know, I I would guess it's probably sometimes most performed show, although not necessarily in the professional on the professional stage.

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Well, there is a Broadway revival right now of the show.

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I I mean, I don't have, I don't have statistics.

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Andy on which is this most performed show, but certainly is most popular, at least in part because it.

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Gets so frequently.

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Performed by community theaters, by college theaters, as we are doing by high schools, and if not?

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The high school is doing the standard version.

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There is a so-called into the Woods Junior version, which takes out some of the adult themes and adds some other characters, like the Three Little Pigs that are more familiar for younger audiences.

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So it's it's probably his most popular.

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His most popular show overall.

Katherine Stewart

So, so going ahead from that, it is very popular and a lot of people are familiar with it and love it.

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I mean, I think it's, it's beloved.

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Uh, what are you as a director bringing to it?

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Coming into it, I had.

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To say what are?

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What are my?

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What are my goals or what can I achieve by producing this play?

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I have a group of students who almost all certainly are very familiar with this production, many of whom have acted in.

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And sung in prior productions, whether the the Standard edition or whether the children into the Woods Junior edition, and have also probably seen at least one production of this show.

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I also have to.

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Think about what our audience might be interested in seeing, or what might be challenging for our audience.

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And I also have to think about what?

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How can I satisfy myself?

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How can I find something interesting for me in this production and I have to think about this?

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Goes back to talking about our students and our student performers.

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What can be my pedagogical goals?

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What kinds of educational goals or educational outcomes can I have for them in the process of preparing and presenting this show?

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And so the the way I went about this was to begin.

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By returning to that source material.

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Battle Hymes book uses of enchantment and to think about what into the woods means per say.

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Because in the text of the show itself the woods mean a whole number of things.

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They are kind of.

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To get to, you know, sort of literary theory, technical for a moment, they are a bit of an empty signifier.

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The woods become a metaphor for any number of things.

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They are a place.

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Of of darkness and danger.

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They are a dream.

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Space they are the woods, are a metaphor for life.

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There are many, many, many things that the woods mean in this play.

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And so my first thought was maybe there don't need to be any woods in the woods and.

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And to try to really focus on the storytelling aspect of it.

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The thing I wanted to point out and I just thought about this yesterday.

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In one of the late songs in the show, the which character sings careful the tale you tell.

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That is the spell children will listen, so that it's about the nature of storytelling in itself and that the.

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The whole.

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Book of the story is framed by a narrator character who begins by saying Once Upon a time, which we all know is the beginning of so many fairy tales.

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And in a way, the narrator is the narrator represents the audience.

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But so as I thought about that and I thought about the idea that the woods represent many things and realizing that.

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To do this.

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To do this, show the way it's often done or the way.

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The stage directions specify for what the original production was, which is a huge, huge production, a Broadway scale production, and something we can't really accomplish with the the resource restraint constraints that we have.

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We don't have that size a theater and and so on.

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I thought, well, what?

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So do we have to make it look exactly like the Broadway production did or can we do something else?

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And that's that's often what a director and a designer think.

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I worked very closely with our.

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With our designer Cody and we were thinking very carefully about what we wanted this world to be and we hashed out some ideas and we decided.

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That to focus on the storytelling aspect and to focus on ideas about how.

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How these stories function in a culture.

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We thought about this being a taking place in a space that is.

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I don't know how else to describe it other than a kind of dream world.

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It is a repository of human wisdom.

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It is an archive of human knowledge, and it exists in a no space because the woods, even if we had woods, aren't real either.

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They exist in a theatrical space.

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So I was looking for a way to make the.

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Idea of the storytelling realm real rather than an imaginary way of making the woods real.

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I realize this is this might sound vague or very high concept, and I guess it is.

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High concept but.

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I was thinking about what, you know, how do we look, how do we think about fairy tales in a psychological sense?

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How do we think of something like?

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Young's idea of the collective unconscious and the way that you know, human myths.

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All work together to create meaning for us.

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That myths are the way we create meaning or we communicate meaning across generations.

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And that that's where this takes place.

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It's in kind of an archive of European myths.

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And we even talked about the possibility of having signs pointing one way to, you know, model impius or something like that, and another one pointing to Native American myths.

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And there's just this giant repository somewhere of all the human stories.

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So that is high concept, but there's actually, it actually goes goes.

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Back to what I was saying about.

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What are my goals?

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As an educator.

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And one of them is to say to students.

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You know, there's no right way to perform any particular scripts.

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We have to say the words and sing the notes as written.

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That is what we are required to do contractually, but there's nothing that specifies.

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What the world?

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Of the play is, there's nothing that's specified.

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What way?

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In what way?

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You say the lines, you just have to say the words.

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We could say everything ironically if you wanted to, or you could place it wherever you want.

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And so that was part of the thinking too is how do we look at this and say, you know what?

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What happens if we ignore all these things that are in italics in the script?

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Which are the initial stage description, stage directions?

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Some of them, some of?

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Them might have come from.

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The writers, but many of them came from the.

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Production and were just written down as the way it was done.

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Well, that doesn't mean it's the only way to do it.

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So that's part of it too.

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From the from the pedagogical point of view, what can I show my students about the way one can think creatively about a script?

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In the same way I often talk about now this.

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This is a musical so there is a score, but I often talk about a play script as something like the the.

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The music that a pianist sits down to, or the score that a Symphony conductor sits down to, they are instructions for how to realize a piece of music.

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But a conductor has a great deal of freedom in choosing tempos, in choosing style, in choosing any kind of interpretive factors, and.

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And I'm not a music specialist, but maybe even go into instrumentation and things like that.

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So there's lots of different ways of performing a Symphony in the same way, there's lots of different ways of putting on any particular play.

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So that that was that was my thinking there.

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Will it work?

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I certainly hope so.

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So and also.

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Aside from the question of what what what uh, what?

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I was I trying to do?

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As as a teacher, I also want our audience to maybe be surprised by this.

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This story they think they know this musical they think they know and that they can be, they can make discoveries about this, this very familiar, this very familiar musical.

Katherine Stewart

So you mentioned themes and metaphor.

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What are some of the major?

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Themes of this show.

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There's a lot of.

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There's a lot of discussion of.

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What it means to wish for something if you hear music in the background, I think that's 'cause people have just gone into the studio next door and might.

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Be starting to work on?

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Some things, but it's.

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There is a lot of discussion.

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Of of what it means to wish for something and what it means to have.

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A wish come.

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True and whether living by wishing for things is a real and practical way of living.

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It's there are a lot of themes about the the difficulty of finding one way in life.

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And coming to grips with the reality of growing up, there's a lot in the play about the way in which.

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Adolescent characters like Jack or Little Red Riding Hood are coming to maturity.

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And that's the reason we tell these stories in part.

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Oh, or at least the way they are in this book dealing with.

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These stories, the original Grimm. If anybody actually read the original versions of Grimm's Fairy Tales, they're quite brutal and frankly meant to terrify children. Because I suppose in.

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When many of those stories began before the Grimm brothers wrote them down and codified them, you know, they began in a world that was actually quite terrifying, that if you did go outside the village or you did go away from home, there were dangers and and so they were meant to terrify children.

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But we use them differently now and we we try to think that they tell different stories.

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The way they're employed into the woods is.

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To begin to talk about what it's like to find your way in the world and what it's like to face morally complex questions and that.

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And what it's like to discover that there are no simple answers to problems, that everything has tradeoffs, that life is about choices.

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I also think in in terms of.

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These younger characters, sometimes it can be seen that there are moments of.

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Sexual awakening and the troubles that may involve sexual awakening there are.

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There are moments that involve questions of marital fidelity.

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So it's, it's loaded with quite a lot really.

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And that's one of the challenges in working on the scenes and in trying to to frame this is trying to figure out which of these things to highlight and which of them to sort of let lie.

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But there's quite a lot, there's quite a lot in there.

Katherine Stewart

And then so also you've talked about what your goals were as an educator and what you hope students will take away from this experience, and then mention that you hoped audiences would be surprised.

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What what else do you hope for audiences?

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What do you hope they take away from it or or enjoy about it?

Dan Stearns

Well, yeah, that's a, I mean that's.

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That's a great question, because I want to be sure that in coming up with a high concept for this that I'm not obscuring what is a pretty great piece of art as well.

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The songs still have to speak for themselves, and they will.

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And Sondheim, you know, is arguably our greatest.

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Composer and lyricist for the musical theater stage.

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I don't know. I don't.

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Know, you could ever say who's the greatest, but he's arguably, you know, he's arguably the greatest and certainly the most important of the second-half of the 20th century.

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So I I want to make sure that even as we're trying to.

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Give an interpretation that we're not imposing something on it that doesn't fit and that the music can still speak for itself, and I think that it will come.

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There are some, really.

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Beautiful tunes in there and some very touching moments and I want to make sure that in fact the clothes of the production has the feeling of.

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A of a.

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Very familiar Broadway style production and that.

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The moral lessons and that the.

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The truly sensitive parts of this of this play get across.

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I think people can still in.

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I think people can still enjoy it as they always had, as they always have.

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I just I I hope that maybe they can see it in a new way.

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Or see some of the themes highlighted in ways that they aren't always it's.

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As much as people love this play and this musical, I think it's easy to do it in a superficial way, and my approach is is to try to dig into.

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Some of the darkness that is in it, some of the the moral difficulty that is in it, some of the the deep psychological things that was that was the origin of it in in, in, in that, in that book.

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That lapine.

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Took from to to write this story and.

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I don't think that removes any of the beauty from it, I.

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Don't think that removes any of the.

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That removes any of the passion from it, but I want people to maybe see that highlighted a little more that it doesn't have to be.

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It doesn't have to be superficial and it doesn't just have to be fun.

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I actually let me take a look.

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As I wrote down some notes, there was a thought that came to mind.

Katherine Stewart

I was actually going to ask you next if there was anything that you wanted to share about this, this production that we hadn't touched?

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On yet so.

Dan Stearns

Yeah, not too.

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Much else that I wanted to say I just I my thought was.

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My thought was in in coming up with a concept for this, how far can I stretch it without breaking it?

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Now I don't really want to push that far, but that is a question.

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Well, how can I?

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How can I shape this without making it something other than what it is?

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How far can this balloon be stretched, or how far so that was that was part of my thinking.

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I hope it succeeds.

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I have no doubt that the students are going to enjoy the process.

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They are already.

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We're only in, I guess, in our second week of rehearsal, but we're doing, we're doing a great job.

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We've finished rough blocking, which is where we blocking, for those who don't know, is where you do the basics of the staging and and placing.

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Everyone and figuring out their traffic patterns.

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We've begun to do some of the choreography and tonight we begin to learn music.

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Uh, we're going, you know, we're going along in the rehearsal process, but I can see everyone already having a good time.

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And I I do want to make sure, aside from my own seriousness of purpose in this and my own interest in the big ideas, that the students are still going to enjoy it.

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And it's clear that they are.

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So no matter what happens, I'm I'm quite certain.

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The performers are going to have a good time doing this, and I also hope and believe that the audience will still enjoy it.

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I don't think this is.

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I don't think I'm.

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I don't think I'm going to break it.

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I don't think I'm going to ruin this.

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Well, it's too good to ruin.

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I don't think there's anything like there's anything I could do to ruin this show.

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So, but as I said, I also want to.

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I also want to find a way to satisfy myself too, and satisfy my own curiosity about what can be done.

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What else can be done with this story that we don't have to simply?

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Do it do.

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It again.

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Do another you know, I don't want to be, I don't want anyone to be bored that oh, it's just another into the woods.

Katherine Stewart

Wonderful. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

Dan Stearns

Yeah, glad to.

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Glad to talk to you about this.

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It's uh.

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I always worry this, you know, when when I come up with something that's high concept like this, I always worry that it lives.

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Only in my head.

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So it's.

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It's important to it's important to hash it out as I did with our with our design team.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, I can't wait to see it.

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It's not one that I've seen actually on Broadway, but I've seen.

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Video versions and listen to them.

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Soundtrack the original Broadway soundtrack many, many times.

Dan Stearns

As you say about video versions, that's actually something that we didn't talk about is that there is a movie version that came out so well quite a few years ago now I guess, but that was a 2014 maybe and that's different from. Yeah, that's different from.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, it seems like flow through decade.

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The stage version and that also is something that people are coming with an understanding that's not quite the same story as as they see on stage.

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So that's that's another piece of information for the audience.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, it's another layer.

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That there comes that they're going with.

Katherine Stewart

I actually don't think I ever saw that, but maybe I will watch it between now and then.

Dan Stearns

Yeah, I have not.

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I have not seen the film version and I I I don't think I want to until I'm done doing what I'm doing right now, 'cause I don't want, I don't want.

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Influences coming in that will that.

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Will you know I.

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I don't want to say interrupt.

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What I'm doing but.

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I'm trying to.

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I'm trying to push a vision through.

Katherine Stewart

Don't get distracted.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, yeah.

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Well, great.

Katherine Stewart

Well, thank you again.

Katherine Stewart

Uhm, quit talking with me.

Dan Stearns

As pleasure.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, absolutely, I'm going to.

Katherine Stewart

Hold on.

Katherine Stewart

Once again, that was Dan Stearns, assistant professor of acting and director of our upcoming production of into the woods.

Katherine Stewart

We'll have more information about this show, including how to get tickets in our show notes, so be sure to check those out.

Katherine Stewart

Until next time.

Katherine Stewart

This is stage and screen.