Stage & Screen

Talking about Shakespeare with Dan Stearns, Assistant Professor of Acting

Episode Summary

Dan Stearns, assistant professor of acting, discusses our spring-season production POP-UP SHAKESPEARE, which he is directing, as well as his background in Shakespearean performance.

Episode Notes

Dan Stearns, assistant professor of acting, discusses our spring-season production Pop-Up Shakespeare, which he is directing, as well as his background in Shakespearean performance.

To learn more about Dan and his work, visit his website http://www.danstearns.net/ or his IMDb page https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2111108/

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Episode Transcription

From The Department of Theatre and Film at the University of Mississippi, this is Stage & Screen.

Katherine Stewart

Hi everyone, welcome back to Stage & Screen.

Katherine Stewart

I'm your host, Katherine Stewart and my guest today is Dan Stearns.

Katherine Stewart

Dan is an assistant professor of acting and he's here to tell us all about Pop-Up Shakespeare, which he is directing as part of our spring 2021 season and it just so happens that Shakespeare is one of Dan's areas of specialization, so he had a lot of interesting things to say not just about this production but about Shakespeare in general. So without further ado, here's Dan.

Katherine Stewart

Hi Dan, welcome, thanks for joining us today.

Dan Stearns

Thanks very much, great to be here.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, thank you.

Katherine Stewart

OK, so you are directing one of our two productions for the spring semester.

Katherine Stewart

A series of pop-up Shakespeare performances 

Dan Stearns

I am.

Katherine Stewart

How did this idea come about?

Katherine Stewart

And what's your vision for?

Yeah.

Dan Stearns

Well there are.

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Sort of two things that that happened.

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One was.

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I've in the past been involved in something that people who do a call a bootleg Shakespeare where one month ahead of a given date, a bunch of people are assigned roles in a Shakespeare play.

Dan Stearns

They don't meet.

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They don't rehearse, they make all their own decisions about their characters about costume ING, or if they need some individual props.

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And they learn their lines.

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And they meet all all in one day and rehearsed during the day and put on the show at night.

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And I did a bootleg Shakespeare also several years ago.

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Now with some friends of mine in Richmond, VA and.

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And so there was that idea rolling around in my head and I thought of doing something like that, but then a couple of years ago, not long after we had moved here.

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We were down in Water Valley and walking around with the kids.

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It happened to see there's an empty lot and there was a built onto the building that abutted that empty lot was a small wooden stage.

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I thought it would be fun to just come down.

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Do a Pop-up Shakespeare on that stage and bring students and so it was part of looking for something to do out in the world to bring our students out into the world and do some performance and something that would be fun and different.

Dan Stearns

So when we began to look at what the possibilities were and thinking about the pandemic world that we're living in right now, and the difficulty of having an audience.

Dan Stearns

In a theater in the difficulty of working with masks as actors, I thought, well, well, if we can stage something outside, maybe now is the time to do it, and that doesn't mean that takes care of all of our safety concerns, but the hope was that there might be opportunities to perform in public spaces around town at various times various locations, and then.

Dan Stearns

As you know, we began to look for.

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Some sponsorship partners and we began to look for locations and.

Dan Stearns

I'm hopeful the students seem excited about it. It's it's a. It's a interesting challenge for them taking on Shakespeare number one and #2 thinking about performing in a space where there might be passersby where there might be distractions where there might be.

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People who are not.

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So surly theater goers and.

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See if see if maybe we can turn them on to Shakespeare.

Katherine Stewart

And you've got quite a background in Shakespearean.

Katherine Stewart

Acting yourself.

Katherine Stewart

Is that right?

Dan Stearns

Well that was my that was always my interest.

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I've always loved Shakespeare.

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In fact, one of my memories of.

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High School English class was when we read Macbeth course Public high school.

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They handed out the books to US and I took it home the first night.

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I think it was Monday night and I read the whole thing not.

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I had to do with the intention to read it, but I started reading it and found it riveting.

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And then had to.

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Sit through class while everybody else tried to puzzle out what it meant.

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And of course it wasn't as though you couldn't figure out what it meant because the language is a challenge for high school student, but the book has a gloss.

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You know it helps you understand what it, what it means, and I just I just loved it.

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And was part of some Shakespeare productions in college and then as an actor I was in and out of the business for a long time. I was always around theater. I did a lot of work in technical production and I was doing some outdoor Shakespeare in the summer, but decided I really wanted more advanced training and so in the 2008 2009.

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And.

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Nine school year I had applied for and was admitted to the one year intensive MFA and Classical Acting program that is run by the Shakespeare Theater in Washington DC and hosted by George Washington University.

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And completed that program and then at the time I was living in Chicago, came back to Chicago and kept working.

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It worked some at Chicago Shakespeare Theater, and so it's been.

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It's been a longstanding interest of mine.

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And I'm glad to be able to put that to use here.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, so.

Katherine Stewart

So why is Shakespeare relevant today?

Katherine Stewart

Or why performant here?

Dan Stearns

That's a good question.

Dan Stearns

I think there are a lot of you know there's an interesting movement right now.

Dan Stearns

Oregon Shakespeare Festival, for example, has been has commissioned a series of what you would call adaptations of Shakespeare into more contemporary speech, and there's going to be a time that that has to happen.

 

Yeah.

Dan Stearns

Right, for example, if we want to read Chaucer, we need to translate Chaucer.

Dan Stearns

It's more than just an ad.

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Notation.

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Of course, what's interesting too is that someone in Shakespeare's Day would have found Chaucer pretty much as difficult to read in the original as we do. English changed tremendously into the early modern period, much more so than it has since then in the last 400 something years.

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But certainly there's a lot that we miss in in reading Shakespeare.

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That's one thing to say, but I think there's a value.

 

You

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In in trying to.

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Work with Shakespeare and deal with his language.

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Deal with the way he uses.

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First deal with heightened language as we call it.

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Even if some of the vocabulary is unfamiliar.

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It's a challenge for the actor to say OK.

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I've looked up what that word means that word, but I never heard before until I read this play.

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Now how do I?

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Through my physicality, through my use of voice through Jess.

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Sure, through how I use the.

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Word to my scene partner.

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How do I carry across the meaning of that word or the meaning of that word in context of the line or the meaning of the word in context of the whole thought.

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So I think it provides valuable challenges for the actor.

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That's one thing, because my first thought is actor training.

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And that if you could, I think if you can play the classics, you can play anything.

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You know the principles are.

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Are are the same and the challenge is so great that once you if you can master it, everything else seems, I guess relatively easy.

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So I it's hard because I'm I'm not.

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I am not among what what people call the bar dollars.

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I mean I love Shakespeare.

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I think he's a great playwright.

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You see, the greatest playwright in in English literature could be.

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I'm not interested in.

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I'm not interested in making greatest.

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Listen.

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If you want to make a list of the greatest playwrights and post on BuzzFeed, go right ahead.

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I'm not interested in that competitive game, sure.

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He's an amazing writer.

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That doesn't mean that everything he did is perfect.

Dan Stearns

Yeah, the way Shakespeare gets taught in English classes all too often is that he he must be a genius.

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He must be perfect.

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There's nothing you know and I just.

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I don't think that's true.

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And actually, if you begin to learn anything about it, begin to study anything about the conditions of theatrical production, the.

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Conditions of dramaturgy and playwriting in the Elizabethan Jacobean.

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The tutor era you begin.

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In to see that it's you know this isn't the romantic image.

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It's really since the romantic era, their romantic image of the lone genius writing, you know, writing these brilliant plays at one at 1 go is not what was happening.

Dan Stearns

There were multiple people involved in any given production, and while Shakespeare certainly wrote them, I'm sure that the actors had input he was writing for specific actors that he knew.

Dan Stearns

Huh, and and that would.

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He would assume that someone so would always play the clown role and so and so would play the lover role and so and so would play.

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So he was writing for actors that he knew using often archetypes.

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So I I guess I'm digressing a little bit from the initial question, but I think that there's there's to me this value in in treating him as a great player, right?

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But also trying to expose.

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Is the rough truth of what his language is like.

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You know that it's full of dirty jokes and it's fully right.

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Someone, someone who believes that he's he is an Immaculate genius is going to be surprised at all of The Dirty jokes, for example, or unwilling to acknowledge them.

Dan Stearns

So that's part of it is to try to give students.

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Opportunity to.

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Deal in an immediate way.

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Develop a personal connection with this text, and I think if the students are student, actors can develop a personal connection to the text.

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Then it will come across to an audience that there is a life and a vitality.

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In this.

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If you only ever encounter Shakespeare in a book, not to say he doesn't read well.

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But if you only ever encounter Shakespeare in a book.

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You don't really get the full effect.

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And the way that he portrayed the great breadth of humanity and the real kinds of of moral and political problems that we struggle with.

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I want to resist making.

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Either any easy.

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Comparison to say, our politics of the moment or.

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Or making enormous claims about by Shakespeare's importance, but I do think it is true that.

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If you really engage with Shakespeare.

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Anyone can find things in their lives or in in public lives that have resonances.

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They don't have to be earth shattering.

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Sometimes they could be small, but I I think there's always.

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There's always there always residences to be found, and I don't think it's in the sense of.

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An answer I don't think it's the sense of.

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Oh, here's the truth of something.

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I think what he does really well is he presents complicated problems.

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In that regard.

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It is my opinion and my belief that pretty much nothing in life has an easy answer.

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Nothing in life has an easy answer.

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Everything is a complicated situation.

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Just about some more complicated and that is some less complicated than with this.

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But I I think that's what he does in.

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The in in the moral.

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Problems that he gives his characters in the situations he places.

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Them in and I think.

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The way any good piece of literature can help us grapple with problems.

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He can do that, although I don't think he gives easy answers, so I think that's where the relevance comes from.

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And as I say, I'm not going.

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To make any kind of.

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Castle analogy to say our contemporary politics or something like that and say, oh, you know, our current president is clearly this character.

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Our former president is clearly this character I I don't.

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I don't think that helps.

Katherine Stewart

So Speaking of engaging with Shakespeare and Shakespeare in performance in particular, and then specifically this production, what exactly does Pop-up mean?

Katherine Stewart

What what can the audience, unsuspecting or otherwise expect?

Dan Stearns

Well, that's that's a good question in my imagination.

Dan Stearns

When I first conceived of this, I thought, wouldn't it be fun if a bunch of students just ran up?

Dan Stearns

To some location and said we're doing Shakespeare and pulled out some costumes and some hand props and started acting.

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But clearly we can't do exactly that.

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We need to make some plans and look at safety concerns and other kinds of things.

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So we'll try to some extent to mimic that, but it will be a well planned.

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It will be a well planned event wherever we do it, but the hope is.

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The feeling we.

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Will get as an audience.

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Is that, oh look, these students just went and rummaged around in their costume storage and in prop storage, and grabbed a few things.

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They were just excited about.

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Putting on these scenes and I selected scenes that are, you know, it's kind of a Shakespeare's greatest hits and they just want to put them on and so.

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Wherever we are.

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We framed the we framed the event in two different ways.

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One, there will probably be some performance times where the entire group of scenes is performed in roughly an hour, and there will be other times where we may do one scene every half an hour over the course of a few hours.

Dan Stearns

So that will be an opportunity for people to come and go.

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Or an opportunity for us to capture new pedestrians.

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And I don't want to talk too much about the possible locations until we have them nailed down, but we're talking about locations in and around the square and Oxford.

Dan Stearns

We're talking about locations in and around campus.

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We'll see, and that's what the idea would be.

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2 versions of it.

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1 The whole the whole group together, presented in a way that it's almost fits as a complete show, and then individual scenes going here and there.

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So that it still should have the feeling of.

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Something appearing out of nowhere that people just jumped up and said.

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Here's some Shakespeare.

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And we hope that people.

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Won't run away.

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But we know we hope that people who are interested in this and and and see our publicity will come and we hope that people who are caught unawares will be.

Dan Stearns

Excited by it.

Katherine Stewart

It sounds like there's a sense of spontaneity and fun and whimsy.

Dan Stearns

Yeah, I think that's that's the idea I want to and this relates to my earlier answer.

Dan Stearns

I I I want to remove some of the heaviness indebtness.

Dan Stearns

Certainly plenty of people who I think could enjoy Shakespeare and maybe just for the the, you know, the fart jokes for example.

Dan Stearns

But who might not be 'cause there's?

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Because there's this.

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Heaviness, that sometimes goes with the OO Shakespeare, who that long hair stuff, or who?

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Shakespeare that's hard, you know?

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Or who Shakespeare?

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Who cares about that?

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Yeah.

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It's you know, it's about.

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It's it's stories of people who resemble real people struggling with real problems.

Katherine Stewart

And this this ties in to what you're just saying and something you were saying earlier.

Katherine Stewart

How?

Katherine Stewart

How did you choose the scenes that will be performed?

Dan Stearns

Well, partly I thought about the students I had I I addition and the number of students.

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All of our BFA students are required to audition for every performance and then some other students auditioned as well.

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And.

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I simply looked at the students who I thought either.

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As I watched them said, oh that's someone who should play.

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Some particular role.

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Or I just watched them and said.

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Great, they already have some grasp of the language or some ability to speak the verse, or they don't look completely overwhelmed then of a deer in the headlights.

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Regarding trying to do this difficult language or they're really using their voices well already and articulating clearly.

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And then went and looked, and basically what I did is I I looked back to every other kind of.

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A situation I've been involved in where scenes have been selected as individual scenes, but that's training workshops that I've taken or my graduate program and then looked and said well which the ones that I like and where the where the actors that I thought might fit these, and so it was just to kind of mix and match.

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And then I also then.

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Had.

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So I I tried it, I tried to make it such that every actor and there are 10 has one good role and then I also have them either covering some small roles or we also have what are called internal understudies.

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That is to say the understudies for the scenes are from within the cast itself and that was a tricky matrix to try to figure out.

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How to get people to understudy the scenes and then also make sure that there is time for.

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Costume changes and shifts in between each of the scenes.

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But most of them, most of them are two person scenes.

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We have two scenes that require larger groups, which are the so-called scenes involving the so called Rude Mechanicals from Midsummer Night's Dream and then.

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And then some other two person scenes.

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Some of the classics.

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I don't know where should I reveal those now?

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Or is that?

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, I was gonna ask are are you trying to keep the actual?

Dan Stearns

That's secret.

Katherine Stewart

Plays or scenes a surprise?

Katherine Stewart

Or do you want to share?

Dan Stearns

There had.

Dan Stearns

That's a good question.

Dan Stearns

I don't know.

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I I hadn't thought of that.

Dan Stearns

Well, let me, I'll tell you what they are.

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And then if you decide you want to edit that out and you can edit that out.

Dan Stearns

Or maybe I'll tell you the place.

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One of them is one thing.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, how about just the just the plays but not the scenes?

Katherine Stewart

How about that?

Katherine Stewart

A little mystery preserved.

Dan Stearns

We have yeah, we have a scene from Romeo and Juliet.

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That's a scene that anyone who knows anything about Shakespeare will.

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Recognize at least part of we have seen from measure for measure for Much Ado about nothing.

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Anne from 12th night and I also you know also mentioned the others from the other two.

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From Midsummer Night's Dream.

Katherine Stewart

And do you have a favorite play of Shakespeare's or or even a favorite character?

Dan Stearns

Well, I I have a personal allergy to favourites.

Dan Stearns

I think in the same way I said I don't want to make a greatest list but but everybody makes lists we can't help it.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah.

Dan Stearns

But I the only reason I don't choose a favorite is because I find that the one I like the most changes.

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As I change as a person, I think for a long time.

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I liked The Tempest and then for a number of years I thought Winter's tale was just the best I I will.

Dan Stearns

I will say I do like the romances, The Tempest in the winter's tale usually classed among the romances by modern editors.

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But I think the so called problem plays are really interesting to measure from.

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Measures are really powerful play.

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And I love them all.

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I think loves.

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Labours lost is unfairly.

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Harshly judge.

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Judged, I think it's a really beautiful play, even though it's it's very wordy and he was, he was messing around with some ideas there, clearly growing as a playwright, but I think it's a really.

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I think there's some really beautiful moments in in loves labours lost.

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So I I will say the water that I still struggle with mental is probably more than one.

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And it may have to do with my age is that I.

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Know even Shakespeare wrote this play when he was.

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After do some math to see how old it was, but maybe you know a little younger than me, but it's King Lear.

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I I've performed scenes from it not as clear, but I've never been in a full production, but I've certainly seen several full productions and I've read it and thought about it and I still I still struggle with it.

Dan Stearns

It's one that just does not resonate with me the way some of the other ones do, but I again I think that that really has to do with how.

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How the players can speak to us at different ages of life?

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Not perhaps some.

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You know.

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Perhaps you've had the experience when you come back.

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To a novel.

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10 years after you first read it, and suddenly it feels different to you is because you're a different.

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The book didn't change, so I think there's something there's something about that about the place that I I don't want to pick one favorite.

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Say oh, this is only it because.

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It's going to come and go.

Dan Stearns

It's going to depend on what?

Dan Stearns

You know who I am and what my life is like at the moment.

Katherine Stewart

Uhm?

Katherine Stewart

Changing tack a little bit what?

Katherine Stewart

What are some of the logistical considerations when planning this type of production?

Katherine Stewart

What's what's going into all of this?

Dan Stearns

Yeah, well, the first thing that comes to mind is if they have.

Dan Stearns

Donald Rumsfeld and that we have several unknown unknowns.

Dan Stearns

I it's possible that I was a little naive in my vision for this that we would just run in and throw some stuff out there and do a scene.

Dan Stearns

We have to secure locations and if those are public locations, it has to involve.

Dan Stearns

Permitting

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It's going to have to involve some concern with public safety and adherence because it would be. It would be University event. We're going to have to follow the university's rules on coronavirus safety.

Dan Stearns

And in fact.

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This won't just be a collection of scenes, there will be some themes that Unite them, and I'm hoping to do some kind of.

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Commentary on our on our current situation.

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So non partisan commentary on our on our situation with masks and vaccination and safety requirement.

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Because it's actually worth remembering that during Shakespeare's lifetime.

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The theaters in London were closed several times due to plague, so it's not that.

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It's not that.

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Out of context, so to speak, because that was.

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The black plague.

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We're not talking about coronavirus, but.

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The idea that an illness would.

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Would wreak havoc on society for a period of a year or two.

Dan Stearns

Was completely familiar to Shakespeare and his audiences, and and it put actors out of work just like this.

Dan Stearns

Coronavirus has hit actors particularly hard because we work in an industry that requires the public together.

Dan Stearns

So that's that's one of our issues.

Dan Stearns

Logistically, we'll have to figure out how we get from place to place.

Dan Stearns

We will have to figure out how we move.

Dan Stearns

Whatever props we have in costumes and that's part of the thinking of the staging.

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Is trying to make it seem very.

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Ordinary very everyday and yet have some items that are useful.

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I don't want it to look as though as I said, some of it will look as though it was pulled out of our scenery stock in our constant stock.

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But I also want the actors just to have some things that they might have found in their homes or but they'll be carefully chosen.

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Then it will be designed.

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It's not as though I've actually sang to the actors.

Dan Stearns

Some of them may wear their own garments for a base costume layer, but will probably probably outfit them with everything.

Dan Stearns

Just make them look like constant.

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Rather make them look like college students, and indeed, part of my idea is that they they are college students, but they aren't themselves they will play.

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A heightened version of themselves, let's say as part of the.

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The the comic environments that I want to create.

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The dramatic environment.

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If you rather say that that I want to create about them appearing.

Dan Stearns

To do this, show other logistics issues will include whether or not we can get to.

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These spaces beforehand.

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And try to adjust the staging.

Dan Stearns

We can certainly rehearse in our studio or in in full Chapel.

Dan Stearns

We can make all kinds of plans, but any of those things could have to be thrown out at the last minute when we arrive and we discover, oh, look, there's something in the way, or there's something we can't move, or people are sitting where we'd like to be working, or any number of things.

Dan Stearns

So I'm.

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I'm hopeful that we'll be able to.

Dan Stearns

Maybe sneakily?

Dan Stearns

Walk through the scenes in these locations and that might even serve as an interesting little preview 'cause I'm sure if we start doing that someone will come around and say hey what's going on, but we'll have to.

Dan Stearns

We'll have to spend some time getting to know the spaces, but I think there will be unforeseen challenges in arriving and trying to put on these shows.

Dan Stearns

And I think that is in fact, part of the fun of it.

Dan Stearns

And I think for the actors.

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That's one of the challenges and from an educational standpoint, a valuable one 'cause there will be times that they perform.

Dan Stearns

Weather in theater or even when they're trying to do something filmed where things will go wrong or things will go in an unexpected way, and the ability of the actor to adapt and continue is pretty important.

Katherine Stewart

So I'm sure they're being prepared in the rehearsal process.

Katherine Stewart

For the eventuality that they may have to think on their feet, or.

Dan Stearns

I'm trying I'm trying we're just getting started now, but one of the things I'm starting with them from the beginning is the idea that they must take the audience into account, and that's not only true be cause of this particular.

Dan Stearns

Sure.

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Staging idea, but it's true for Shakespeare's text.

Dan Stearns

The Theatre that Shakespeare was writing for was not our modern Theatre of silent audiences in the dark.

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The plays were produced.

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In daylight, and even when they the players that were written to be performed in the indoor Blackfriars Theater, they would burn candles, and in fact, that's there's a lot of speculation that the reason that the later players have act breaks in them, whereas the early plays did not have act breaks was because they had to trim the candles so they would take an act break so that the chandeliers could be lowered and the candles could be.

Katherine Stewart

Uh huh.

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Trimmed.

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So he was writing for a theater where the patrons can be seen.

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There's no suggestion that we have this modern idea of the 4th wall that separates 4th Wall.

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If you don't know what that means, being the idea that there is a room represented on the stage, and it is as though the 4th wall.

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The one that faces the audience has been removed and the audience is given this privileged view of what's happening inside this room.

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The the the.

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Actors were talking to the audience and there's many times in the place which if you were to read them sitting in with a book in hand, you.

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Would think you might think.

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Why is this guy asking questions to himself?

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Why is this guy asking questions to the air?

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Well, he's not.

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He's thinking through his problem and.

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Asking the people who are there and the people who happen to be there are the audience.

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Maybe they answer, maybe they don't.

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Maybe he just acts as though they did.

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Right, but there's.

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No pretense that the people aren't there, so from the beginning I'm working with that as.

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As a typical.

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Given understanding of the way Shakespeare's dramaturgy works.

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Then we'll have to talk about the whole.

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Or additional problem and I may not say too much but what about hecklers?

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What about passersby make noise?

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What do we do when a truck comes by?

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But I've performed outdoor Shakespeare, for example, an airplane goes overhead and we just stop and sometimes just pause, or sometimes just stop.

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It looks shocked because.

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Why is there this this strange object passing over us in the midst of this world?

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You know we're.

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Doing Julius Caesar and we're in ancient Rome, but somehow there's this massive thing flying through the air so.

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And there's no.

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Reason not to not.

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To do that I mean yes, if you're in the middle of the most tense dramatic scene in the play, you might not want to do that.

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But how do we deal with these kinds of interruptions that are just part of the deal when we're in?

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We're working in public.

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So we'll work on that, but I think.

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There's only there's only so much that can be done.

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To prepare for that, and I hope that the actors can.

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Think on their feet.

Katherine Stewart

An if if audiences do want to engage with these performances, it sounds like they'll have quite a few opportunities.

Katherine Stewart

Do you?

Katherine Stewart

Do you know approximately how many shows there might be?

Dan Stearns

Well, we're still working that out.

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I'm hoping at least six, but.

 

Great.

Dan Stearns

More than that would be better.

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We're looking at some park locations in addition to places around the square, and I hope when we when we finally get it together, I hope some of the ones that that occur around the square will be able to do on a weekend when there might be foot traffic and.

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And.

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People will be able to.

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To stop and stop and see what's happening and just come for the whole thing or just.

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Listen to a couple of minutes.

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You know there will be.

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It will be.

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I'm hopeful that it will be easy enough for people to pass by and listen in the same way you might pass by a street busker.

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And, you know, listen to someone fiddling for a few minutes and then and then pass on.

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You don't have to listen to the whole song, you can just listen for a minute and keep going.

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Just add to the add to the arts ambience of an R&R D town.

Katherine Stewart

Now it's just going to say it sounds like an awful lot of fun, and it sounds like exactly the kind of thing.

Katherine Stewart

This town would enjoy.

Dan Stearns

I hope I hope, yeah.

Katherine Stewart

Great, well thank you so much.

Dan Stearns

Glad to be here.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah, appreciate all right.

Katherine Stewart

Yeah.

Katherine Stewart

Once again that was assistant Professor Dan Stearns telling us all about Pop-Up Shakespeare.

Katherine Stewart

When we get closer to the event, we will be announcing dates and locations where you can see these semi spontaneous performances will be announcing those on social media. So do look for us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Our handle on all three is theater film at UM all one word.

Katherine Stewart

I will include more information about Dan and about Pop-Up Shakespeare in the show notes, so do check those out as well and until next time this is Stage & Screen.